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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atonement looked and felt a lot like Pride and Prejudice, impeccable setting, acting and dialogue. come to think of it, both movies have the same director, leading lady and both are based on books...

Atonement bit depressing toward the end, but over all very well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atonement looked and felt a lot like Pride and Prejudice, impeccable setting, acting and dialogue. come to think of it, both movies have the same director, leading lady and both are based on books&#8230;</p>
<p>Atonement bit depressing toward the end, but over all very well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit late to this, but it&#039;s always an interesting talking point.  I think we could probably make a surprisingly lengthy list of movies better than their original novel - Laura and Pow Wow Highway come quickly to my mind.  A novel with decent story and characters can really come to life as a movie when the actors add dimension and movie magic goes to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit late to this, but it&#8217;s always an interesting talking point.  I think we could probably make a surprisingly lengthy list of movies better than their original novel &#8211; Laura and Pow Wow Highway come quickly to my mind.  A novel with decent story and characters can really come to life as a movie when the actors add dimension and movie magic goes to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the example that I keep thinking about is The Godfather. I have never read the Mario Puzo book, but my understanding is that it&#039;s just pulp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the example that I keep thinking about is The Godfather. I have never read the Mario Puzo book, but my understanding is that it&#8217;s just pulp.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll get no argument from me that good books are difficult to adapt. It&#039;s a sliding scale: the better the book, the less likely the adaptation will be good. I think the best books to adapt are ones that have good plots and interesting settings, but aren&#039;t of much literary interest otherwise. It doesn&#039;t matter too much to me if I read the book first or see the movie first, as long they don&#039;t come too close together! Back to back is fatal because I can&#039;t stop thinking about how the two works compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll get no argument from me that good books are difficult to adapt. It&#8217;s a sliding scale: the better the book, the less likely the adaptation will be good. I think the best books to adapt are ones that have good plots and interesting settings, but aren&#8217;t of much literary interest otherwise. It doesn&#8217;t matter too much to me if I read the book first or see the movie first, as long they don&#8217;t come too close together! Back to back is fatal because I can&#8217;t stop thinking about how the two works compare.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
		<link>http://commentarytrack.com/2008/02/01/review-atonement-2007/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right, you make a fair point. I still maintain that it is especially difficult to make an adaptation of a good novel. And I often find that I enjoy both film and novel more if I&#039;ve seen the film first. Of course, it&#039;s futile to avoid reading certain books on the off chance that they&#039;ll be adapted into a movie worth seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, you make a fair point. I still maintain that it is especially difficult to make an adaptation of a good novel. And I often find that I enjoy both film and novel more if I&#8217;ve seen the film first. Of course, it&#8217;s futile to avoid reading certain books on the off chance that they&#8217;ll be adapted into a movie worth seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept your challenge!

10 movies that are better than the books:
Gone With the Wind
From Here to Eternity
King Rat
The Firm
Enchanted April
Ice-Cold in Alex
Jurassic Park
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
The Long Memory
Fahrenheit 451

Most of these are good movies based on popular fiction of no particular literary merit. You could call this the &quot;bad books get made into movies, too&quot; category. Jurassic Park and The Firm are not especially great films, but they are superior to the books. King Rat, The Long Memory, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, and Ice-Cold In Alex are very good movies based on indifferent novels.

Others are good movies made from novels that are badly marred by bigotry. Gone With the Wind obviously belongs in this category (although it could equally be moved to the first category); the movie is still racist, but it is hugely superior to the novel.  From Here to Eternity has real literary merit, but the pervasive misogyny so infects the characterization of the commander&#039;s wife (the character played by Deborah Kerr in the film) that she is not believable as a real person. The script, aided by Kerr&#039;s performance, remedies that flaw.

Fahrenheit 451 is a concept more than it is a fully developed novel. The film deepens the characterizations, elaborates on the future world, and earns a strong emotional response. 

Enchanted April is my favorite example of a movie that improves on its source. The novel is good, but the movie is superior for two reasons: the glorious spring garden more effectively serves its critical plot purpose when filmed in glowing color than when described in words; and, the film re-writes a very poor plot point to turn my least favorite couple into my favorite. Interestingly, there&#039;s an earlier film adaptation from the early &#039;30s that does not offer either feature, and is, indeed, not as good as the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept your challenge!</p>
<p>10 movies that are better than the books:<br />
Gone With the Wind<br />
From Here to Eternity<br />
King Rat<br />
The Firm<br />
Enchanted April<br />
Ice-Cold in Alex<br />
Jurassic Park<br />
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre<br />
The Long Memory<br />
Fahrenheit 451</p>
<p>Most of these are good movies based on popular fiction of no particular literary merit. You could call this the &#8220;bad books get made into movies, too&#8221; category. Jurassic Park and The Firm are not especially great films, but they are superior to the books. King Rat, The Long Memory, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, and Ice-Cold In Alex are very good movies based on indifferent novels.</p>
<p>Others are good movies made from novels that are badly marred by bigotry. Gone With the Wind obviously belongs in this category (although it could equally be moved to the first category); the movie is still racist, but it is hugely superior to the novel.  From Here to Eternity has real literary merit, but the pervasive misogyny so infects the characterization of the commander&#8217;s wife (the character played by Deborah Kerr in the film) that she is not believable as a real person. The script, aided by Kerr&#8217;s performance, remedies that flaw.</p>
<p>Fahrenheit 451 is a concept more than it is a fully developed novel. The film deepens the characterizations, elaborates on the future world, and earns a strong emotional response. </p>
<p>Enchanted April is my favorite example of a movie that improves on its source. The novel is good, but the movie is superior for two reasons: the glorious spring garden more effectively serves its critical plot purpose when filmed in glowing color than when described in words; and, the film re-writes a very poor plot point to turn my least favorite couple into my favorite. Interestingly, there&#8217;s an earlier film adaptation from the early &#8217;30s that does not offer either feature, and is, indeed, not as good as the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will agree with you that adaptations frequently offer unique pleasures that you cannot get from the books. This is especially true with films that use the book as a launching point, such as the Lord of the Rings films or the Spike Jonze film Adaptation (very loosely based on The Orchid Thief). 

It also frequently happens with plays. There are at least two good versions of Hamlet, for example.

But, I challenge you to find films that actually improve upon the novel that they were based on.  I am not talking about any source material, since I think plays and comic books lend themselves particularly well to adaptation.  Short stories are even easier to adapt than novels. But, can you actually name ten films that were based on novels that are superior to their source material?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will agree with you that adaptations frequently offer unique pleasures that you cannot get from the books. This is especially true with films that use the book as a launching point, such as the Lord of the Rings films or the Spike Jonze film Adaptation (very loosely based on The Orchid Thief). </p>
<p>It also frequently happens with plays. There are at least two good versions of Hamlet, for example.</p>
<p>But, I challenge you to find films that actually improve upon the novel that they were based on.  I am not talking about any source material, since I think plays and comic books lend themselves particularly well to adaptation.  Short stories are even easier to adapt than novels. But, can you actually name ten films that were based on novels that are superior to their source material?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise a good discussion point. I both agree and don&#039;t agree that a movie that is an adaptation (of a novel, play, video game, or whatever) should be judged on its own merits. The film exists complete in itself and the first stage of criticism is to respond to it without reference to its source. I always try, as far as is possible, to put the source out of my mind and approach the adaptation as if it was an original work. In this instance, I enjoyed Atonement and rate it a good (though not great) film, independent of its merits as an adaptation of a novel that I greatly admire. 

At the same time, Atonement necessarily invites comparison with its source by the very fact that it is an adaptation. It&#039;s a critical dead end to pretend that an adaptation exists in a vacuum. On the contrary, comparing a film adaptation to its source can often be very illuminating in focusing in on the strengths and flaws of the film and, as the reflection trains interest on the original, on the source as well. 

This kind of analysis does not necessarily reflect badly on the films. Some adapatations improve on their sources. Particularly in the case of adaptations of popular fiction, the movie may have lasting value while the book is deservedly forgotten. In other cases, the book and film may each offer unique pleasures; the Lord of the Rings books/films is an example. 

The possibilities and limits of cinematic adaptation is something that has always interested me greatly. Atonement the movie makes for a particularly intriguing case study because it is simultaneously very faithful and not at all faithful to Atonement the novel. That contradiction throws light on both works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise a good discussion point. I both agree and don&#8217;t agree that a movie that is an adaptation (of a novel, play, video game, or whatever) should be judged on its own merits. The film exists complete in itself and the first stage of criticism is to respond to it without reference to its source. I always try, as far as is possible, to put the source out of my mind and approach the adaptation as if it was an original work. In this instance, I enjoyed Atonement and rate it a good (though not great) film, independent of its merits as an adaptation of a novel that I greatly admire. </p>
<p>At the same time, Atonement necessarily invites comparison with its source by the very fact that it is an adaptation. It&#8217;s a critical dead end to pretend that an adaptation exists in a vacuum. On the contrary, comparing a film adaptation to its source can often be very illuminating in focusing in on the strengths and flaws of the film and, as the reflection trains interest on the original, on the source as well. </p>
<p>This kind of analysis does not necessarily reflect badly on the films. Some adapatations improve on their sources. Particularly in the case of adaptations of popular fiction, the movie may have lasting value while the book is deservedly forgotten. In other cases, the book and film may each offer unique pleasures; the Lord of the Rings books/films is an example. </p>
<p>The possibilities and limits of cinematic adaptation is something that has always interested me greatly. Atonement the movie makes for a particularly intriguing case study because it is simultaneously very faithful and not at all faithful to Atonement the novel. That contradiction throws light on both works.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always say that it is unfair to compare movies to the books that they are based on. It almost grants an unfair advantage to those films that are written directly to the screen. How often does a literary adaptation live up to the original? I think, over 90 percent of the time, when a film is based upon a book that I enjoy, I am disappointed by the way it turns out.

I have not read the novel, and I absolutely loved this film. It was beautifully shot and surprisingly fast-paced for its subject matter. I expect this to turn up on my Top Ten list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always say that it is unfair to compare movies to the books that they are based on. It almost grants an unfair advantage to those films that are written directly to the screen. How often does a literary adaptation live up to the original? I think, over 90 percent of the time, when a film is based upon a book that I enjoy, I am disappointed by the way it turns out.</p>
<p>I have not read the novel, and I absolutely loved this film. It was beautifully shot and surprisingly fast-paced for its subject matter. I expect this to turn up on my Top Ten list.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also surprised by the nomination because I didn&#039;t think it had received much notice. After seeing it, though, I can understand. It is definitely the kind of movie Oscar loves: period drama; British; literary antecedents; impeccable credentials behind and in front of the camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also surprised by the nomination because I didn&#8217;t think it had received much notice. After seeing it, though, I can understand. It is definitely the kind of movie Oscar loves: period drama; British; literary antecedents; impeccable credentials behind and in front of the camera.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really surprised to see this turn up as an Oscar nom. Not as surprised as I was to see Michael Clayton, but still - it didn&#039;t seem to be that popular, and the trailer didn&#039;t really grab me. Now I&#039;m curious to see it, of course.</description>
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